The Ideal Timetable For MBA Apps
Maria |
April 12, 2022

MBA applications are NOT something that you can “throw together” in a week (or even two). From needing to sit the GMAT or GRE (not to mention the time required to prep for THOSE), to writing essays, and asking for (and getting) recommendations, there’s a LOT to prepare!

In this episode of Business Casual, you will learn straight from the pros how long THEY think you should plan on spending to apply to Business school.

(And spoiler alert – if you’re thinking about applying this fall, you’ll want to be getting started ASAP!!!)

Episode Transcript

[00:00:07.150] – John

Hello.

[00:00:07.210] – John

Hello, everyone. This is John Byrne with Poets and Quants. Welcome to Business Casual, our weekly podcast with my cohost Maria Wich Villa and Caroline Diarte Edwards. Caroline, as you should know by now now is the former director of admissions at INSEAD and a co founder of Fortuna Admissions. And Maria is the founder of Applicant Lab. Now that most of the round three deadlines are pretty much over. And while the official season to apply isn’t completely done with because some schools have round four and round five, and there are often extended deadlines that go into the early summer, it is that time of the year when people who want to apply for admission not this coming fall, but the following fall should be thinking about putting together their application and getting prepped and ready to actually do a solid application that would get them into a highly selective business school. So we want to talk about the timetable for studying for a standardized test, for the things that you need to do now, not later, so that you’re not cramming for your application deadlines, be they in round one of this year or round two in early next year.

[00:01:26.060] – John

Caroline, what’s your basic advice on the timetable?

[00:01:29.110] – Caroline

Yeah, it’s great to start early. So I do think too many candidates start prevaricate and hesitate trying to figure out where they’re going to apply and thinking about taking the test and so on. And don’t start thinking about their research and their application until they’re further down the line and perhaps have finished the GMAT or the GRE. So now is definitely a good time to get into serious preparation mode. If you haven’t taken the test or you haven’t yet got the test score that you’re happy with, then that should be a key focus right now. And in parallel, candidates should be doing plenty of research and exploring which schools would be the best fit for them and not just jumping to a conclusion based on rankings and where their colleagues have been to business school, but really doing some serious research into the programs and the different elements of the curriculum, the job placement opportunities, et cetera, and figuring out given their career goals. And maybe that’s also something that you need to spend some time on delving into career goals and career vision for post MBA. But on the basis of that, figuring out which is really the best program fit.

[00:02:45.850] – John

And that really does start with research. So, yeah, I know that most people start the process by looking at rankings and getting a sense of what are the possibilities in many schools, obviously will fit profiles of individual students based on either the areas that they cover that they’re strong in, meaning a given discipline, or where they place students or where they’re located, or frankly, again, where they’re ranked. These are all important elements of looking at the landscape of schools to decide to do further research into their programs. Who gets in what the cultures are like and whether or not you will feel like you’re a fit for a given school. Maria, any advice on doing that deep dive?

[00:03:33.710] – Maria

Yeah. I mean, in the many years that I’ve been doing this, no one has ever once said to me, you know, I started this process too early. No one’s ever been like, you know, Maria, I started a year ago, and I really wish I would have waited until no one because there’s so much you could be doing, even if you’re not even doing anything about your application itself. First of all, I think preparing the application is a lot more work than people estimate. But Caroline mentioned things like researching career paths. I mean, you might even want to try to find a pre MBA temporary job or a pre MBA internship if you are trying to move career paths, because if you put that on your application, if you say, look, I’m in the military right now, but I think I want to go into investment banking and I have a six month internship at Morgan Stanley through their Veterans program. How much more credibility do you now have in your career goals? I think regarding test taking, I think getting the test out of the way is just like a cloud that hangs over your head.

[00:04:37.280] – Maria

And if you get it out of the way as soon as possible, it’s not going to be hanging over you. It’s not going to be stressing you out. And to be honest, obviously it’s a holistic process. But sometimes if you cannot get a good test score and your test scores are terrible, there’s not even any point in thinking about the rest of the application because you may not even be at the level that would be compelling academically for some of these programs. So regarding the test, one thing I would say is instead of just like, in addition to just to get it out of the way early, take practice tests of the GMAT and a practice test for the GRE and see which one feels more comfortable to you. As we’ve talked about before, getting in a higher percentile on quantity for the GRE is usually seen as easier given the broader test taking population, as they have. Now. If you’re interested in a merit based scholarship, then you may want to try to take the GMAT because schools, I think, care more about their GMAT, average GMAT than they do about their average GREs.

[00:05:33.320] – Maria

But in fact, Poets and Quants just published a couple of days ago a report on how the GRE test has become so much more commonplace in MBA admissions. And so you no longer need to worry about like, oh, if I submit a GRE, not really. So if you’re just at the beginning, take some practice tests, be honest with yourself. If the quantity is the thing that’s holding you back, consider taking the GRE. And I think now is a good time to start thinking about your recommenders. I would not approach recommenders just now, but start thinking about okay, I’m going to need at least one, possibly two people who have been in a position of authority over me, who think highly of me, but have also seen me grow, who have given me advice on things I should be doing better, keeping in mind the questions that are asking the recommendations. And so let’s say you have a mentor that you think would make an excellent, really excellent recommender. But maybe it was at a previous job and maybe you haven’t kept in touch with him for a couple of years or things like that, like now is a great time to reach out and start just planting those seeds.

[00:06:40.820] – Maria

Right. I’m not thinking about next steps for my career, thinking about long term investment in my education. Maybe an MBA is a good idea. What do you think? And then you start teeing up that conversation now. And by the way, if you’re panicking right now and thinking, oh my gosh, I don’t have anyone in a position of power over me who really would be willing to go to bat me, now is the time. You still have a few months. Try to identify some people who could become your champion at your current job. Right? I mean, I don’t want to say butter them up. Butter them up. Right. Start. Hey, what can I help you with? Hey, do you have any feedback for me? What can I be doing better around here? How could I be helping more around here? That’s something you can absolutely start as soon as possible.

[00:07:22.810] – John

Hey, nothing wrong about buttering up your recommenders. I think that’s a fine strategy. Now let’s go back to the standardized test. Caroline, how much time should a candidate spend practicing and studying to get a good score? What do you tend to recommend to your clients? And I should put out there that so many people retake the test. So don’t think that when you schedule your test, that may be the end all of the process. It could very well be that you’re going to be taking the test. Two, three. I know candidates who have taken four to six times to get the score to put them in the position to get into a business school. So what’s recommended time that you think someone should set aside to study for the exam before they actually sit for it?

[00:08:11.730] – Caroline

Well, it’s as long as a piece of string. Right. Some people need much more time than others. But the typical thing is that people underestimate how much time that’s going to be. And sometimes people do very well on the practice tests at home, and then they actually do the real test and they’re very disappointed with their performance for whatever reason.

[00:08:29.410] – John

Right.

[00:08:29.620] – Caroline

You can have a bad day or just be unlucky with how things go, and that can really happen to anybody. So you should build in plenty of buffer time to your testing schedule.

[00:08:41.630] – John

Caroline, I just want to make one point about the practice test. I strongly suspect that the practice tests are legitimately. No, not legitimately. Intentionally easier than the actual test, because if you do the practice test on the GMAT, they want you to their actual test and they don’t want you to go to GRE and vice versa. So I would argue that in general, people take the practice and the score higher than doing the actual test, in part because it’s a marketing game. I don’t know if I’m wrong. I don’t know candidates who have done surprisingly well in the practice test who fell far short on the real test.

[00:09:22.980] – Caroline

Yeah, John and his conspiracy theories. But just to give some examples of timelines. So I was talking recently with Scott Woodbreet, who is the founder of Target Test Prep. I think TTP is a great platform for GMAT prep. And he says that he thinks people need to dedicate six months of preparation. And he says you should plan on, I think, 400 to 500 hours.

[00:09:51.950] – John

Wow. Right.

[00:09:52.700] – Caroline

So that’s a big chunk of time, right? No one can crank that out overnight. And the vast majority of people who are working on test prep have very busy day jobs and not nine to five jobs either. So you’ve got to find time around a very busy schedule. So I think the earlier you start, the better. And something that he suggests is rather than leaving it to the end of the day and I can remember doing this long day in the office and then coming back home and you’re feeling exhausted and have some dinner. And then, oh, great, I got to get my GMAT test prep books and plowing through that. It’s pretty gruesome and you’re pretty exhausted and tired already. His suggestion is just get up a bit earlier and do something every morning. Just build that into your schedule. And while your brain is not yet exhausted from the demands of your day, build that prep into your morning schedule. So that’s quite an intimidating number, right? 400, 500 hours. But that’s I think a great guideline to think about. And six months is if you’re starting now, probably too late for round one.

[00:11:07.570] – Caroline

It might be more a case of round two if you’re just starting your test prep now and you haven’t done any work on it yet.

[00:11:12.960] – John

And I imagine if you’re an engineer or have a Stem background, you’re logically going to perform better on the quantity. And you may not require that much time and effort. But if you are a bad standardized test taker, if you are a poet who has had little exposure to quant work, you’re probably going to need a lot more time, maybe even six months. That’s really true. Okay. So you do your deep dive on the research of the schools to get a sense of where you want to go, then you prep for the standardized task, you begin to cultivate your recommenders. What else?

[00:11:51.430] – Maria

Maria, I think as you start narrowing down what schools may be of interest, I think now is a great time of year to start to reach out to current students, especially because students have not yet started, the graduating students have not yet graduated, and the first year students have not yet started their internships. So now is a great time to reach out to the current student clubs, particularly in the professional club that relates most of what your career plans are and just start asking them questions. Right. Start figuring out, especially if you’re trying to think about a career switch. Right. You can ask them things like, hey, have other people with my background been able to successfully get jobs in consulting or hey, when private equity hires at your school, do they hire people who are former engineers or do you need to work in banking first? So that can also be a great way to not only learn about career paths, but also to learn about schools to learn about culture. Right. If a student it’s not the stereotype. But if someone from a tuck calls you back right away and spends 2 hours with you on the phone, that’s going to give you a much better impression of what the tech culture is like versus perhaps other schools where they may not be as responsive.

[00:12:59.790] – Maria

Not that you can take one student’s lack of responsiveness or excessive responsiveness as a metric for the whole entire culture, but it can start to give you a sense of what the different schools are like as well from a cultural perspective.

[00:13:14.370] – John

Yeah, that’s really true. Now, in fact, Caroline, when you were head of admissions at INSEAD, I’m sure you had ambassadors for the program. We spoke to candidates. Did you have guidelines as to how long it should take for them to get back to a potential applicant?

[00:13:31.860] – Caroline

Well, as soon as most of the inquiries were handled by staff, because it’s a one year program, the students are incredibly busy. But we would definitely use students for on campus events and meeting campus visitors, but not so much for just fielding emails unless there was something, unless they were part of a club or something and they were representing something specific, and then they would handle that directly. But most of the inquiries that came into the school were directed to staff initially, right?

[00:14:03.610] – John

Yeah, that’s understandable because it is a ten month program. People are very intense. People are very.

[00:14:12.170] 

Yeah.

[00:14:12.670] – Caroline

So they just have less time for helping out with other things like marketing activities. But as we’re talking about campus visits, I mean, that’s something that people may be able to do now, right? I mean, some schools are opening up for campus visits. Now, not everybody is open, but that may be feasible for some candidates. So if that is an option for you definitely try to do that, because I still think that there is no replacement for actually getting onto campus and soaking up the atmosphere and having lunch in the canteen and sitting on a class and really soaking up the atmosphere and getting a feel for whether that’s the right place for you. And the schools totally understand that it’s not feasible for everybody. Some people are applying for a very long way away. But if you do have the option to do that, I would definitely encourage candidates to make every effort to visit campus, if at all possible.

[00:15:08.730] – John

And the admissions team likes to hear about stories where an applicant visits a campus and was turned on by a class or professor or sat down with students and immediately loved what they said about the culture, the collaborative nature of the school, et cetera. Because it just shows deeper interest. And the admissions staffer might think, okay, this person is far more likely to attend based on the experience that they had visiting campus. Is that right?

[00:15:38.490] – Caroline

Absolutely. You shouldn’t feel that you’re at a disadvantage, right? If you haven’t been able to visit campus, they’re not going to hold that against you. But particularly at the interview stage, you’re going to be grilled about why you’re applying to that particular school. It’s easier to sort of gloss over with a superficial knowledge of the school in your admissions essays on paper. But when you get to the interview stage, you really have to be able to tell, as you say, a bit more of a substantial story about your motivation and how you’ve learnt about the school and what has impressed you. And it gets very repetitive for the interviewers when candidates are just sort of regurgitating some of the key messages that they’ve read on the website. Right. So it’s very helpful for you as a candidate, as you say, to have some good anecdotes to tell about your interaction with a school, your campus visit, or the chats that you’ve had with students or alumni. That’s going to differentiate you more than just regurgitating some of the data that you’ve read on the school website.

[00:16:46.420] – John

Which is just going to make your interviewers eyes glaze over how far in advance of the deadline should one begin to draft essays?

[00:16:56.970] – Maria

Maria so that’s a great question because I think the essay writing process can be broken into two very large chunks. One is assessing your career to date, maybe even things beyond your career in your broader life, perhaps significant moments from your life, things you did in College, and to really start to take stock of. When have I been most effective? What are the things that have driven me, et cetera, et cetera? That way when you sit down to write the essays, you have a sort of a quarry. I don’t know if that’s the right word. You’ve got a bunch of things that you can mine. And so that way you don’t have to start or restart the thinking process from scratch every time. So right now, what you can start doing for sure is to start thinking about like, okay, what are some experiences I’ve learned from? What are some experiences where I’ve really made a difference? You can also look at the school’s previous year’s essays. Sometimes the schools will pull a complete 180 and completely change what their essays are. But for the most part, many of them stay the same. And even if the essay changes, what the school is looking for is pretty similar from year to year.

[00:18:04.680] – Maria

So I think those are things you can start doing now and then in terms of actual drafting the essay. Please don’t go completely overboard just because realize that a lot of the essay questions come out in June or July, at least for the US schools that are on the typical round one, round two calendar. And so I would hate for you to spend a ton of time drafting an essay for a school. And then, oh, sorry, we changed it. Okay. But again, as with before, I don’t think anyone ever said, oh, man, I wish I would have, man. I really spent too much time on my essay. I think it’s possible to spend too much time tinkering at the last minute to say, like, oh, should this be a semicolon or a dash? If you get to that point, then you’ve gone too far. But in terms of the broad points you want to make and how you can best describe those, you can start that right now. You can start years in advance. Honestly, keep a little Journal somewhere, a Google Doc.

[00:18:59.520] – John

There you go. Caroline, you agree?

[00:19:02.140] – Caroline

Yes, absolutely. It’s a great opportunity to take a step back. Right. And sort of assess what you have achieved so far. What are your strengths and weaknesses? What are your opportunities for development? And that reflection is really useful input to the application process. And the application process shouldn’t just be a hoop to jump through. Ideally, it should be an opportunity for you to learn about yourself and benefit from that reflection process. And the essays do require when done well, they do require you to think quite deeply about where you’ve come from and where you’re heading. And so rather than just do that in a superficial manner, really try to dig into that and take advantage of that reflection process. Because what we see is often candidates who invest in that reflection and take it seriously. They actually benefit from that during the MBA program because they have a much better sense of direction. They have a much better sense of what they want to get out of the program, of the skills they want to build, of the network that they want to build, and the direction they want to head in post MBA. So all of that effort will not be wasted.

[00:20:20.850] – Caroline

It’s not just about jumping through the hoop to get into school. It’s about preparing yourself to be a good MBA student as well.

[00:20:26.590] – John

Okay, so we are now a little more than five months away from round one deadlines for the US schools. It’s not too late, right?

[00:20:35.730] – Caroline

No, absolutely not. But if you haven’t really thought about it yet, you definitely need to get into gear with doing your research, with preparing for the test and so on. So it’s definitely time to get serious about the process.

[00:20:51.690] – John

All right, Maria, do you have any motivating work? Get people off their butts and get working if they’re going to flush.

[00:21:00.330] – Maria

When you say motivating, it sounds like you want some sort of encouraging warm and fuzzy thing which I haven’t had enough coffee yet this morning to turn that side of my brain on. But I think especially if you are from an overrepresented group for nothing else like applying for round one versus round two, I know that there’s no difference. But if you’re from an overrepresented group, it does benefit you to apply in round one. And if you’re from an overrepresented group, I think you should realize that your competitors in this process, many of them probably started a year, if not two years ago, preparing for this. So hopefully that helps get you jumping out of your seat and starting to sprint forward with what you’re doing. I don’t mean to discourage people but there are people who have been preparing for this, I like to joke since kindergarten. So think of it. Keep your competitor. Keep your competition in mind.

[00:21:53.350] – John

Maria, that would motivate me right now because I’m such a companion. I would be jumping off this podcast and diving into doing the research and signing up for a prep course for my GMAT or GRE and getting the ball rolling immediately. If I had any hope of applying in round one, a lot of people apply to, let’s say, one or two schools in round one, see what happens and then apply to a greater number of schools around two. That’s a typical strategy for many people. And getting that round one application off is I think the more applications you do, the better you become doing them. Because practice does lead to, if not perfection, it leads to a better result. So for all of you out there, I hope we’ve been helpful in talking a little bit about the steps that you really need to take and the timeline involved in applying to a great business school. This is John Byrne with Poets and Quants. Thanks for listening.

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The Ideal Timetable For MBA Apps
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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] John Byrne: Hello, everyone. This is John Byrne with Poets& Quants. We have a really cool story to relate to you today. Me and my co host, Maria Wich-Vila and Caroline Diarte Edwards, are going to talk about the most disruptive MBA startups of the year. Every year, Poets& Quants invites the top schools all over the world.

To submit nominations for ventures with what we call the greatest potential for lasting beyond business school. So what we want to do is acknowledge MBAs who have launched really cool companies that are paving the way for the future. And this year, we have 41 student startups that we have honored in what is the sixth annual list of the most disruptive MBA startups.

And they come from all over. We got nominations from Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, MIT, INSEAD, London Business School and others. And, uh, I think what the basic list shows is that entrepreneurship is alive and well in business schools are a lot of great ideas. A lot of them are powered by AI. No surprise there.

They involve every imaginable industry. There’s a good number of these in the business of health as well as in beverages, consumer products and things like that. And I wonder, Caroline, if you have a favorite among this group, and I bet you it’s going to be an INSEAD startup.

[00:01:30] Caroline Diarte Edwards: Yeah, I have a few favorites, and definitely INSEAD is on my list, although I’m going to start with a London Business School one.

Um, and there were a few international ones that I thought were really interesting. I like the story from kiro, which is a fintech startup, coming out of London Business School, founded by LBS student Alicia Chowdhury. she secured 200, 000 in funding, and it’s the first AI powered financial coach, which is designed to help,

Gen Zed, as I would say, or Gen Z, as you would say. and young adults, get personalized financial guidance. So that’s something that jumped out to me, given that I now have a young adult among my children and trying to teach her financial literacy is somewhat challenging, so I can definitely see the need for that. And she tells a really interesting story about how financial literacy was something that she had struggled with and realized that there was a gap in the market, right? There’s a lot of great financial information out there, but it’s not necessarily tailored and communicated well to young people. And she ended up working in finance before business school.

she doesn’t have a tech background, but she did. Teach herself the fundamentals of AI and machine learning, and she assembled a technical team to work with her. And I thought it was really interesting as well, how she leveraged the LBS resources. And I think a lot of the stories that you have in this article really tell a great deal about the power of business school experience in helping people launch a company. And of course, there’s often a lot of criticism about the value of going to business school. And if you want to be an entrepreneur, there’s no point going to business school. And I think that this article really debunks that. so for example, this is how she benefited from LBS.

She was a finalist in the LBS Launchpad. She completed the LBS Entrepreneurship Summer School. She joined the LBS Incubator. She led the LBS Entrepreneurship Club. And then, of course, she benefited greatly from a lot of the courses that she took at LBS. I got a lot of great advice from LBS faculty, as well as the Institute of Entrepreneurship and Private Capital.

I think a wonderful story about how a student had a vision of something that she wanted to do and saw a gap in the market and really went after it, leveraging that wonderful ecosystem that you get at business school and she’s got a VC group backing her. So that’s one of her investors and Aviva Group is a huge financial company.

I think it sounds very promising. So congratulations to Alicia.

[00:04:11] John Byrne: Yeah, you’re right. One of the things that comes through here is the support that students get from the schools. And their classmates and their professors, it’s a real terrific thing.

As you said before, a lot of people say, hey, if you want to start a company, instead of paying a school tuition, just use that as your seed capital and you’re going to be better off, but the truth is that a business school you’re surrounded by really smart colleagues and people who’ve been through this before and mentorship from professors and seed money from the many venture challenges that occur at different schools can make a very big difference and shift the odds in your favor of success. Maria, do you have a favorite?

[00:04:53] Maria Wich-Vila: Yeah, my favorite.

startup was Cell Mind, which is out of the Johns Hopkins business school. This one really hit home for me personally. What they are trying to do is they are trying to maximize access to a type of cancer therapy called “Car T”. And I have indirectly lived this. We have a good friend from business school who has been battling cancer for several years, and last year there was a complete rollercoaster around  this car T therapy. And I apologize to any doctors if I’m butchering this. But basically, my understanding is that if it works for you, it essentially can cure your cancer or cause it to go into remission. But, if for whatever reason, if your body is too weak at the time that you receive it, it can actually kill you. Unfortunately, it can cause something called a cytokine storm, I think.

And so, the decision of whether to go or no go is obviously one that is very fraught with a lot of, emotion and risk. And so, we actually had a friend who last year was approved for CAR T. But then in the weeks right before they were going to give it to her, they then disapproved her because she had gotten weaker … it was this whole roller coaster.

And so any sort of startup that is doing something to figure out, which patients actually are likely to do well with this therapy? Can we expand our doctors being perhaps understandably a little too cautious because they’re concerned about the negative side effects, perhaps being worse than the.than the cancer itself.

Anything that can help expand access to this is why they were number one in my book. And as you guys were just talking about. Because Johns Hopkins is one of the best, if not the best medical school in the world, this is a great example of a business school student or group of business school students leveraging the resources and the expertise at that overarching institution, trying to find ways to commercialize it, and just make the most of those resources.

I really loved that story.

[00:06:40] John Byrne: Yeah, and that’s what you increasingly find. it’s not a bunch of MBA students doing their thing. It’s reaching out and having these really entrepreneurial collisions with students from other departments, other schools where they have deep expertise in computer science or engineering or medicine or law or public policy or environmental sciences teaming up with MBAs to launch things. which really give them extra power.

One of my favorites comes out of, uh, Chicago Booth. And, it’s sort

a really interesting idea where, first off, it’s called Encore, and it’s a marketplace for high end collectibles. Now, you think, how could that really be a cool thing? What they’ve done is they’ve combined TikTok style videos. With the traditional eBay auction format, to create a really engaging experience for people who want to shop for these collectibles. But what’scool is the MBA who’s behind this. His name is Will Enema, at first thought he shouldn’t apply to Chicago Booth, new venture challenge, because he had already raised a pre seed round and thought that Encore might not be good for that traditional, giving money out kind of program. But, he entered it after he was urged to by a number of professors at Booth. The idea placed second in the competition. He won $350, 000 to help launch his company, but here’s the real kicker:

Within two weeks of that competition, a venture capitalist who participated in the judging agreed to lead their seed round. So it just shows you how, incredible things can happen, in the environment of a business school.

Now, Caroline, I’m sure you have others that you really thought were really cool. Name another one.

[00:08:29] Caroline Diarte Edwards: Yeah. So my second one is of course, an INSEAD startup and it’s called faceflow. ai. And I really liked this one because it’s an AI powered skincare platform. So again, relating it to my personal experience of having four daughters who are constantly clamoring for the. latest ridiculous beauty product that they’ve seen on Instagram.

I think this is a fantastic idea.

What it does is it actually gives you scientifically based product recommendations, right? So they have for the two founders, Daniel Patel and Simon Zhang, Patel had previously founded a marketplace for international skincare brands. So he knew the skin, the beauty industry, skincare products.

And then his partner, Simon, is an experienced AI engineer, and so they’ve combined their expertise to bring AI to skincare recommendations. And it’s underway. I checked out their website. I have signed up already. The product is not yet available, but I’m looking forward to when it comes through.

And they won the INSEAD French competition and, talk about how they’ve benefited from the very entrepreneurial environment at INSEAD,

I really enjoyed reading about their experience and I’m excited to learn more about their products.

[00:09:49] John Byrne: Yeah, absolutely. And now

Maria, I know there are 2 Harvard startups on the list from your alma mater. did you pick 1 of them as your 2nd choice?

[00:10:00] Maria Wich-Vila: It was not necessarily my 2nd choice, but there was 1 called Vulcan Investments. This is a little bit out of my, Wheelhouse. So I think we all tend to gravitate towards something we know or something we have experience with, but it’s trying to figure out how to solve the rare earth magnet problem. Right now. A lot of these rare earth materials that are powering modern technologies are coming from China, which poses several challenges, especially should relations with that country not go well in the future. So this is trying to solve for that issue. I think that was a really interesting one.

But actually, my second choice was one that again, I have indirect personal experience with, albeit in a different way. It was called Yogger. What they’re trying to do is, I believe it’s taking your phone to watch you as you perform exercise then give you feedback on, your gait, your form, et cetera.

And this was really interesting to me, not so much because of exercise, although I wish it were (ha ha) (though: side note, my dad was a track and cross country coach for decades and I totally forgot about that in the moment, but I should have mentioned that!!! D’oh!!!), but who knows, maybe this will motivate me to jog more (har har har).

In the interview with the entrepreneur. he talked about how you can do things like a gait analysis right now, in other words, tracking how your legs move when you are running or jogging, and then providing an analysis, but these sorts of things are very difficult to get to. It’s expensive. You need to be set up with, they put a whole bunch of sensors on all of your joints. and I have a friend who has a child with cerebral palsy and they’ve had to do these, go to actually Hopkins (this is not a Hopkins based startup, it’s from Tuck, Dartmouth Tuck), but they’ve (my friends, I mean) had to go to Hopkins and actually have these, it’s a day long thing to set up your child with the different sensors. And so the thought of using something as simple as an iPhone app, perhaps, machine learning, et cetera. all that good stuff to analyze your gait and make this accessible. It’s not only I think useful for casual exercise enthusiasts, but I think it could also have ramifications and uses even in other areas. For example, kids with special needs. So I was really excited about this one.

John Byrne:

MIT Sloan has three startups on our list this year.

That’s more than any other school. And one of the really cool ones is called Vertical Horizons. This is an incredibly ambitious startup. It’s all about commercializing high density, high efficiency power supplies for AI computing. Essentially, it’s a semiconductor company. and you might not think that an MBA would be involved in actually creating a semiconductor company.

But it’s founded by Cynthia Allen, an MBA in the class of 2024 at Sloan and one of her professors. So it’s a good example of where university develop some sort of new technology or new insights. And then needs to commercialize it. And in this case, you have an MBA coming along, who has a great interest in this, and is helping to commercialize it. The actual idea of it has 4 million in research grant funding to develop the technology. So there’s a good amount of money behind this very ambitious idea.

I think, stepping away from the individual startups, what I think this says about, the ability of people who want to go to business school and use that experience as an incubator to launch a startup, it’s alive and well, it’s a great way to launch a company because it does take a lot of risk off the table and these startups, these 41 startups that these different business schools really give you a great insight into what different people are doing.

Caroline, I’m sure, and Maria as well, you probably meet a number of people in your practices, that want to use an MBA to do a startup. Do you think they’re ready to take full advantage of these experiences?

Caroline Diarte Edwards:

Yeah, I certainly hear from a lot of candidates who are hoping to launch a venture. Some of them want to do it as soon as they graduate and for some of them it’s more of a longer term ambition because of course financing can be a challenge.

Especially if you’ve invested a lot in taking on a lot of debt with your MBA and a lot of the themes that I hear, candidates are interested in come through in your article as well. So it’s noticeable that there are quite a few startups in your list that address, healthcare issues as Maria highlighted, also education, environmental challenges. And I think those are three areas that I hear a lot about from candidates in terms of where they would really like to have an impact.

And I think, something else that is noticeable is that a lot of them are really trying to have a positive impact on the world as well. They’re really trying to address,  fundamental societal challenges, many of them, which I think is wonderful from health care, mental health issues, pollution. et cetera. There’s a lot of really interesting, and important issues that are being addressed by some of these startups. and, I think it’s wonderful that we have this young generation, going through business school who are ready tackle these challenges that that they have inherited from our generation.

John Byrne:

Yeah. And these ideas are going way beyond, some of the earlier ideas of five, 10 years ago, hookup apps and match.com, uh, wannabes and things like that. some of these ideas are remarkably sophisticated and elegant as well.

Maria, last words.

Maria Wich-Vila:

I think that this article not only is very optimistic in terms of these amazing ideas that are out there, but I also like that it shows that there are so many different paths to entrepreneurship through the MBA that first of all, number one, the NBA is valuable for entrepreneurship, which, as you noted a second ago, is often a stereotype that that exists that, oh, I don’t need this. but also there are so many different MBA programs out there. Look at the range of schools that are creating these amazing startups. Look at the fact, one of the, Stanford ones, the student was not an MBA student. They were an MSx student.

Sometimes I’ll meet people who are a little bit on the older side who are applying and they’re like, I have to do the two year program and I’m like, no, you can… you just need to get your foot in the door and even if it’s that MSxs program, it’s one year versus two years. For example, you can, you just need to get to a university that’s going to teach you the things you need and give you the resources and then you can take it from there.

So I, the other thing I really appreciate about this article is showing the breadth of programs and the breadth of students and the breadth of backgrounds of these students who are creating incredible new companies.

[00:16:37] John Byrne: Yeah, check it out. It’s called most disruptive MBA startups of 2025, and it’s on the Poets& Quants website.

If you are interested in doing a startup, I think you’ll learn a lot about how business school can help you make it a reality. This is John Byrne with Poets& Quants. You’ve been listening to Business Casual, our weekly podcast.

Maria

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