Should I Still Enroll In An MBA If The Program Is Only Virtual / Online?
Maria |
April 20, 2020

Look, I get it! You applied to an MBA program for many reasons, but at the end of the day, the main one is to enhance your career. And one of the most famous ways that going to business school does that is through “networking”… in other words, the friendships you make!

To borrow the format of an old credit card commercial, you might have been thinking about the investment in the MBA like:

  • Tuition and fees: $170k
  • Foregone salary: $200k+
  • Being a lifelong member of YourSchool’s alumni network: Priceless

But wait! Now, due to coronavirus / COVID-19, many (most? all?) business schools may be “virtual” only… maybe for a month, a semester, or even a year! (and, I suspect that very few of them will offer easy deferrals — see my post on that here)

(Want to see my outline on how things might play out? See my infographic where I tried to boil it down to the key drivers!)

“If my MBA program is entirely online, doesn’t that mean that I’m missing out on the famous networking experience, and so business school isn’t going to be worth it?”

My answer to this is a definite “Sort of.” BUT, I do NOT think things are as TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE, NO-GOOD and VERY BAD as many people are saying.

Before I leap into the rest of this post, two things:

First, people who are considering enrolling in a one year program this fall MAY want to re-consider, since chances are that a much higher percentage (if not 100%) of their experience may now be online.

Second, OF COURSE, I am NOT saying that online / virtual coursework and socialization will be 100% as good as in-person would be… what I *AM* saying though, is that I do not think it will be such a disaster that the MBA ceases to have value.

Therefore, if you were PLANNING to enroll in an MBA program this fall, and if the prospect of virtual / online classes is the ONLY reason you are considering dropping out and re-applying in the next cycle, my advice is:

CONSIDER GOING ANYWAY!

Why you ask? Here are my thoughts:

1. Getting to know people is NOT a binary event — that is, you will still be able to make good friends, even via virtual means.

In other words, it’s not like: “Hey, we meet in person, and I am now friends with 100% of the people!” vs. “Well, we only know each other online, so we are ZERO PERCENT FRIENDS.”

People who get IN to business schools to BEGIN with are usually:

  • Friendly
  • Resourceful
  • The kinds of people who make things happen and don’t just sit back, helplessly

Think about it! You got *IN* to business school IN THE FIRST PLACE because you are these things!!! Given that, I have faith that incoming MBA students will find ways to get to know one another (via Virtual happy hours; Zoom Board Game Nights; small group discussions; virtual club meetings etc…) and will be committed to making it work. After all, there is mutual benefit for all of you to make a big effort to get to know each other!

The fact that you are all overcoming this challenge together; that you all refused to turn your back on the school and support them and each other, even in dire circumstances, might make you bond EVEN MORE, if you have a shared challenge to overcome!

Also: if virtual platforms were complete rubbish at allowing people to get to know each other, then…

  • No virtual work meeting, virtual client pitch, etc. would work, ever.
    • But, in real life, people still are able to close deals, build partnerships, find funding, win over clients…without ever meeting them in-person! It happens all the time!
  • No one who started out by talking on a dating website would EVER get married. 
    • But, a recent estimate is that almost 40% of heterosexual couples in America MET ONLINE. If “meeting online” meant “I will never get to know what someone is like”, then that number would be ZERO percent.

2. Coronavirus will not be forever

As of right now, some estimates are that we could get treatment (even if somewhat effective) by the winter of 2020, and vaccines by summer of 2021.

This means, if you are entering a two year program, you WILL be in person that second year!

And I have a feeling that y’all will FIND CREATIVE WAYS to MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME… And I almost wonder IF, instead of giving tuition refunds, the schools will provide you guys with, say, AMAZING “orientation” experiences…again, to help make up for lost time.

Ie, “Now that travel restrictions are lifted, let’s start out your second year with…a big trip to a beach in Mexico!”

(irrelevant side note: the fact that my own much-longed-for vacation to a beach in Mexico was recently cancelled may or may not have affected my creation of this example!)

3. Could there be…a bright side to some of this “virtual” stuff?

It’s easy to get hung up on all of the potential downsides of your program being online. But there could be a number of positives to it as well! Some that I can think of:

Harvard Business School (HBS)

 

Academics

One of my friends is a professor at HBS. They told me that yes, obviously some of that “human spark” can’t be replicated online… but that there have been some benefits:

  • Shyer / less aggressive students are feeling less intimidated and are participating more
  • Along the same lines, it’s easier to keep track of who is participating and to call on students who might normally shrink into the wallpaper in the back
  • When breaking out into small group discussions, a lot of time is saved since Zoom can do that in seconds, instead of taking 5 minutes for people to get up, leave the room, go down the hall, walk back, etc. — those minutes usually spent “herding cats”  are now saved
  • Now that there are literally no space / occupancy limits to a classroom, could some of the MOST popular courses — the ones that are chronically over-subscribed — now accept anyone who wants to take it (even if via auditing / not for a letter grade?). Could the most popular lectures, etc. perhaps be recorded and uploaded so that only current students can access them for a limited time (regardless of their schedules perhaps being crazy these days?) After all, providing this benefit would come at little — if not zero! — incremental cost to the school!

Extra-curriculars

  • People can “try out” various clubs by dropping in virtually on club meetings to listen in, without having to physically be there. This might encourage people to try something new, or to join a club where they don’t currently know anybody, etc.
  • Conferences will probably be able to get even better speakers! Back when I was in school, booking conference speakers was quite the task — not only finding a day / time that worked for them, but convincing them to come visit campus for just a day was not always an easy sell. Now, if the conferences themselves are all “virtual”, it will be far less hassle for a VIP to come speak!

On the social side (this is just my speculation)

A lot (most) of the “networking” in b-school is at parties / bars, which, “hey, FUN” but also, “ugh, LOUD!” You have to scream over people (and if you’re short like me, get on your tip-toes sometimes) to have a conversation. Meeting others in smaller groups for “virtual happy hours” or “online pub night” means you can actually have conversations with people!

There’s also less chance for the cliques to be so “cliquey” – a bunch of people go into each top business school’s class already knowing each other from work (especially from the “feeder firms”), college, prep school, their daddy’s house in the Hamptons is next to the other student’s daddy’s house in the Hamptons 🙂  (This is an exaggeration, of course. Sort of.)

Once they get to school, many of them, UNDERSTANDABLY, want to hang out with each other. This isn’t much of a “problem” per se, but it is harder to get to know people who arrive to campus with their social set already formed. If all social activities are online, sure those folks can still hang out with their existing friends, but it also makes it less likely that they’ll just disappear with them and not attend broader events.

Will any of this actually happen? 

Who knows!

Heck, twleve weeks ago I was planning my awesome upcoming Mexico Beach Vacation, four weeks ago I cancelled my plans for a summer trip to Taiwan that I had been planning for over a year,  and now I’m contemplating bartering my son in exchange for a roll of paper towels… “Life moves pretty fast!”  WE ARE ALL SPECULATING AT THIS POINT.

My main point here is that freaking out and thinking that an online MBA has zero value and so you should just give up on it may be an over-reaction. It will not be 100% “as good” as the in-person experience, but that doesn’t mean that it will be SO devalued that you shouldn’t enroll, on account of only this.

And hey, maybe we can even dare to brainstorm ways that “starting out as virtual only” might even be…better, in some ways?

What do you think? Am I on the right track, or am I just so desperate to find any sort of happy thoughts in today’s “UGH” world that I am deluding myself? I suspect it’s probably a little of both, ha ha.

Either way: Stay safe! Social distance! Wash your hands!!!

 

The Economist Dis on MBAs: Is the Degree Still Worth It?
Should I Still Enroll In An MBA If The Program Is Only Virtual / Online?
Maria |
April 20, 2020

Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] John Byrne: Hello, everyone. This is John Byrne with Poets& Quants. We have a really cool story to relate to you today. Me and my co host, Maria Wich-Vila and Caroline Diarte Edwards, are going to talk about the most disruptive MBA startups of the year. Every year, Poets& Quants invites the top schools all over the world.

To submit nominations for ventures with what we call the greatest potential for lasting beyond business school. So what we want to do is acknowledge MBAs who have launched really cool companies that are paving the way for the future. And this year, we have 41 student startups that we have honored in what is the sixth annual list of the most disruptive MBA startups.

And they come from all over. We got nominations from Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, MIT, INSEAD, London Business School and others. And, uh, I think what the basic list shows is that entrepreneurship is alive and well in business schools are a lot of great ideas. A lot of them are powered by AI. No surprise there.

They involve every imaginable industry. There’s a good number of these in the business of health as well as in beverages, consumer products and things like that. And I wonder, Caroline, if you have a favorite among this group, and I bet you it’s going to be an INSEAD startup.

[00:01:30] Caroline Diarte Edwards: Yeah, I have a few favorites, and definitely INSEAD is on my list, although I’m going to start with a London Business School one.

Um, and there were a few international ones that I thought were really interesting. I like the story from kiro, which is a fintech startup, coming out of London Business School, founded by LBS student Alicia Chowdhury. she secured 200, 000 in funding, and it’s the first AI powered financial coach, which is designed to help,

Gen Zed, as I would say, or Gen Z, as you would say. and young adults, get personalized financial guidance. So that’s something that jumped out to me, given that I now have a young adult among my children and trying to teach her financial literacy is somewhat challenging, so I can definitely see the need for that. And she tells a really interesting story about how financial literacy was something that she had struggled with and realized that there was a gap in the market, right? There’s a lot of great financial information out there, but it’s not necessarily tailored and communicated well to young people. And she ended up working in finance before business school.

she doesn’t have a tech background, but she did. Teach herself the fundamentals of AI and machine learning, and she assembled a technical team to work with her. And I thought it was really interesting as well, how she leveraged the LBS resources. And I think a lot of the stories that you have in this article really tell a great deal about the power of business school experience in helping people launch a company. And of course, there’s often a lot of criticism about the value of going to business school. And if you want to be an entrepreneur, there’s no point going to business school. And I think that this article really debunks that. so for example, this is how she benefited from LBS.

She was a finalist in the LBS Launchpad. She completed the LBS Entrepreneurship Summer School. She joined the LBS Incubator. She led the LBS Entrepreneurship Club. And then, of course, she benefited greatly from a lot of the courses that she took at LBS. I got a lot of great advice from LBS faculty, as well as the Institute of Entrepreneurship and Private Capital.

I think a wonderful story about how a student had a vision of something that she wanted to do and saw a gap in the market and really went after it, leveraging that wonderful ecosystem that you get at business school and she’s got a VC group backing her. So that’s one of her investors and Aviva Group is a huge financial company.

I think it sounds very promising. So congratulations to Alicia.

[00:04:11] John Byrne: Yeah, you’re right. One of the things that comes through here is the support that students get from the schools. And their classmates and their professors, it’s a real terrific thing.

As you said before, a lot of people say, hey, if you want to start a company, instead of paying a school tuition, just use that as your seed capital and you’re going to be better off, but the truth is that a business school you’re surrounded by really smart colleagues and people who’ve been through this before and mentorship from professors and seed money from the many venture challenges that occur at different schools can make a very big difference and shift the odds in your favor of success. Maria, do you have a favorite?

[00:04:53] Maria Wich-Vila: Yeah, my favorite.

startup was Cell Mind, which is out of the Johns Hopkins business school. This one really hit home for me personally. What they are trying to do is they are trying to maximize access to a type of cancer therapy called “Car T”. And I have indirectly lived this. We have a good friend from business school who has been battling cancer for several years, and last year there was a complete rollercoaster around  this car T therapy. And I apologize to any doctors if I’m butchering this. But basically, my understanding is that if it works for you, it essentially can cure your cancer or cause it to go into remission. But, if for whatever reason, if your body is too weak at the time that you receive it, it can actually kill you. Unfortunately, it can cause something called a cytokine storm, I think.

And so, the decision of whether to go or no go is obviously one that is very fraught with a lot of, emotion and risk. And so, we actually had a friend who last year was approved for CAR T. But then in the weeks right before they were going to give it to her, they then disapproved her because she had gotten weaker … it was this whole roller coaster.

And so any sort of startup that is doing something to figure out, which patients actually are likely to do well with this therapy? Can we expand our doctors being perhaps understandably a little too cautious because they’re concerned about the negative side effects, perhaps being worse than the.than the cancer itself.

Anything that can help expand access to this is why they were number one in my book. And as you guys were just talking about. Because Johns Hopkins is one of the best, if not the best medical school in the world, this is a great example of a business school student or group of business school students leveraging the resources and the expertise at that overarching institution, trying to find ways to commercialize it, and just make the most of those resources.

I really loved that story.

[00:06:40] John Byrne: Yeah, and that’s what you increasingly find. it’s not a bunch of MBA students doing their thing. It’s reaching out and having these really entrepreneurial collisions with students from other departments, other schools where they have deep expertise in computer science or engineering or medicine or law or public policy or environmental sciences teaming up with MBAs to launch things. which really give them extra power.

One of my favorites comes out of, uh, Chicago Booth. And, it’s sort

a really interesting idea where, first off, it’s called Encore, and it’s a marketplace for high end collectibles. Now, you think, how could that really be a cool thing? What they’ve done is they’ve combined TikTok style videos. With the traditional eBay auction format, to create a really engaging experience for people who want to shop for these collectibles. But what’scool is the MBA who’s behind this. His name is Will Enema, at first thought he shouldn’t apply to Chicago Booth, new venture challenge, because he had already raised a pre seed round and thought that Encore might not be good for that traditional, giving money out kind of program. But, he entered it after he was urged to by a number of professors at Booth. The idea placed second in the competition. He won $350, 000 to help launch his company, but here’s the real kicker:

Within two weeks of that competition, a venture capitalist who participated in the judging agreed to lead their seed round. So it just shows you how, incredible things can happen, in the environment of a business school.

Now, Caroline, I’m sure you have others that you really thought were really cool. Name another one.

[00:08:29] Caroline Diarte Edwards: Yeah. So my second one is of course, an INSEAD startup and it’s called faceflow. ai. And I really liked this one because it’s an AI powered skincare platform. So again, relating it to my personal experience of having four daughters who are constantly clamoring for the. latest ridiculous beauty product that they’ve seen on Instagram.

I think this is a fantastic idea.

What it does is it actually gives you scientifically based product recommendations, right? So they have for the two founders, Daniel Patel and Simon Zhang, Patel had previously founded a marketplace for international skincare brands. So he knew the skin, the beauty industry, skincare products.

And then his partner, Simon, is an experienced AI engineer, and so they’ve combined their expertise to bring AI to skincare recommendations. And it’s underway. I checked out their website. I have signed up already. The product is not yet available, but I’m looking forward to when it comes through.

And they won the INSEAD French competition and, talk about how they’ve benefited from the very entrepreneurial environment at INSEAD,

I really enjoyed reading about their experience and I’m excited to learn more about their products.

[00:09:49] John Byrne: Yeah, absolutely. And now

Maria, I know there are 2 Harvard startups on the list from your alma mater. did you pick 1 of them as your 2nd choice?

[00:10:00] Maria Wich-Vila: It was not necessarily my 2nd choice, but there was 1 called Vulcan Investments. This is a little bit out of my, Wheelhouse. So I think we all tend to gravitate towards something we know or something we have experience with, but it’s trying to figure out how to solve the rare earth magnet problem. Right now. A lot of these rare earth materials that are powering modern technologies are coming from China, which poses several challenges, especially should relations with that country not go well in the future. So this is trying to solve for that issue. I think that was a really interesting one.

But actually, my second choice was one that again, I have indirect personal experience with, albeit in a different way. It was called Yogger. What they’re trying to do is, I believe it’s taking your phone to watch you as you perform exercise then give you feedback on, your gait, your form, et cetera.

And this was really interesting to me, not so much because of exercise, although I wish it were (ha ha) (though: side note, my dad was a track and cross country coach for decades and I totally forgot about that in the moment, but I should have mentioned that!!! D’oh!!!), but who knows, maybe this will motivate me to jog more (har har har).

In the interview with the entrepreneur. he talked about how you can do things like a gait analysis right now, in other words, tracking how your legs move when you are running or jogging, and then providing an analysis, but these sorts of things are very difficult to get to. It’s expensive. You need to be set up with, they put a whole bunch of sensors on all of your joints. and I have a friend who has a child with cerebral palsy and they’ve had to do these, go to actually Hopkins (this is not a Hopkins based startup, it’s from Tuck, Dartmouth Tuck), but they’ve (my friends, I mean) had to go to Hopkins and actually have these, it’s a day long thing to set up your child with the different sensors. And so the thought of using something as simple as an iPhone app, perhaps, machine learning, et cetera. all that good stuff to analyze your gait and make this accessible. It’s not only I think useful for casual exercise enthusiasts, but I think it could also have ramifications and uses even in other areas. For example, kids with special needs. So I was really excited about this one.

John Byrne:

MIT Sloan has three startups on our list this year.

That’s more than any other school. And one of the really cool ones is called Vertical Horizons. This is an incredibly ambitious startup. It’s all about commercializing high density, high efficiency power supplies for AI computing. Essentially, it’s a semiconductor company. and you might not think that an MBA would be involved in actually creating a semiconductor company.

But it’s founded by Cynthia Allen, an MBA in the class of 2024 at Sloan and one of her professors. So it’s a good example of where university develop some sort of new technology or new insights. And then needs to commercialize it. And in this case, you have an MBA coming along, who has a great interest in this, and is helping to commercialize it. The actual idea of it has 4 million in research grant funding to develop the technology. So there’s a good amount of money behind this very ambitious idea.

I think, stepping away from the individual startups, what I think this says about, the ability of people who want to go to business school and use that experience as an incubator to launch a startup, it’s alive and well, it’s a great way to launch a company because it does take a lot of risk off the table and these startups, these 41 startups that these different business schools really give you a great insight into what different people are doing.

Caroline, I’m sure, and Maria as well, you probably meet a number of people in your practices, that want to use an MBA to do a startup. Do you think they’re ready to take full advantage of these experiences?

Caroline Diarte Edwards:

Yeah, I certainly hear from a lot of candidates who are hoping to launch a venture. Some of them want to do it as soon as they graduate and for some of them it’s more of a longer term ambition because of course financing can be a challenge.

Especially if you’ve invested a lot in taking on a lot of debt with your MBA and a lot of the themes that I hear, candidates are interested in come through in your article as well. So it’s noticeable that there are quite a few startups in your list that address, healthcare issues as Maria highlighted, also education, environmental challenges. And I think those are three areas that I hear a lot about from candidates in terms of where they would really like to have an impact.

And I think, something else that is noticeable is that a lot of them are really trying to have a positive impact on the world as well. They’re really trying to address,  fundamental societal challenges, many of them, which I think is wonderful from health care, mental health issues, pollution. et cetera. There’s a lot of really interesting, and important issues that are being addressed by some of these startups. and, I think it’s wonderful that we have this young generation, going through business school who are ready tackle these challenges that that they have inherited from our generation.

John Byrne:

Yeah. And these ideas are going way beyond, some of the earlier ideas of five, 10 years ago, hookup apps and match.com, uh, wannabes and things like that. some of these ideas are remarkably sophisticated and elegant as well.

Maria, last words.

Maria Wich-Vila:

I think that this article not only is very optimistic in terms of these amazing ideas that are out there, but I also like that it shows that there are so many different paths to entrepreneurship through the MBA that first of all, number one, the NBA is valuable for entrepreneurship, which, as you noted a second ago, is often a stereotype that that exists that, oh, I don’t need this. but also there are so many different MBA programs out there. Look at the range of schools that are creating these amazing startups. Look at the fact, one of the, Stanford ones, the student was not an MBA student. They were an MSx student.

Sometimes I’ll meet people who are a little bit on the older side who are applying and they’re like, I have to do the two year program and I’m like, no, you can… you just need to get your foot in the door and even if it’s that MSxs program, it’s one year versus two years. For example, you can, you just need to get to a university that’s going to teach you the things you need and give you the resources and then you can take it from there.

So I, the other thing I really appreciate about this article is showing the breadth of programs and the breadth of students and the breadth of backgrounds of these students who are creating incredible new companies.

[00:16:37] John Byrne: Yeah, check it out. It’s called most disruptive MBA startups of 2025, and it’s on the Poets& Quants website.

If you are interested in doing a startup, I think you’ll learn a lot about how business school can help you make it a reality. This is John Byrne with Poets& Quants. You’ve been listening to Business Casual, our weekly podcast.

Maria

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